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Subject: Re: [MDLUG] Still sleeping with the gorilla?


I shouldn't, but I must....

Bill wrote:
> What happens when the gorilla has a bad dream?
> 
> http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?REQUNIQ=1036136703&30REQEVENT=&REQINT1=56175&REQINT2=1&REQSTR1=Text%20News&REQSTR2=Microsoft%20stirs%20up%20Office%2011%20support%20storm&REQSTR3=%7c&REQAUTH=21046&14006REQSUB=
> 
> "A representative acknowledged that Microsoft plans to offer the productivity 
> suite, code-named Office 11, only for Windows 2000 with Service Pack 3 and 
> Windows XP.
> 
> By focusing on development for the single Windows code base, Microsoft could 
> conceivably deliver a better version of Office and cut development costs in 
> the process. But the company also has a tendency of being heavy-handed with 
> customers who resist making the transition to a newer operating system.
> 
As stated, this is nothing new.  This is an extremely important 
fact to remember.

> 
> How, for instance, are you going to be able to justify breaking up Microsoft 
> if the company only has one (kitchen sink dept.) office product running on 
> one OS? That's what the MSIE fuss was all about. 
>
What makes you think that anything like this will ever happen?
Consider this.  By the time anything is actually decided upon, 
Microsoft will no longer support a single product that was in 
existence at the time of accusation.  Therefore there will be no 
real activities to undertake and Microsoft will continue with 
business as usual.  If you can't move the gun, move the moose.

> What happens when the office suite becomes part of the OS, too?
> 
It already is more than you want to know.

> 
> This game aint over. Not by a long shot.
> 

Nope.
But's it's changing.  See Important Fact number one.
People are starting to disbelieve Microsoft more and more.

People are starting to hear whispers about another one.  Remember 
Yoda?  "There is another..."

People are starting to reconsider the finances of owning a 
computer.  They are starting to learn that upgrading is no 
guarantee of function.

Companies are the slowest.  If a really big corporation (auto 
industry) announced that everyone was going to open office and to 
deal with it, then there would be a groundswell in activity.
Why they don't is beyond me.  They dictate CAD/CAM/CAE 
software/hardware all the time.  Why would the rest be any different?
-- 
We question most of the mantras around here periodically, in case
you hadn't noticed.  :-)
              -- Larry Wall in <199705101952.MAA00756@wall.org>

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On 20021031 (Thu) at 1805:18 -0500, David Smythe wrote:

> Also, I'm thinking the beginning of the Intro needs a bit more of a 
> feed-in.  Here's a (very) rough draft:

That's an idea.  As you no doubt saw, I began with "Testing bogofilter
(continued), because I was thinking in terms of linking to this from
the section on testing that's already in my bogofilter web page.  For
the version to be sent to the list, I could borrow a few words from
said web page, for example thus:

> The original version of bogofilter uses 
> the computation method presented in Paul Graham's paper (name & 
> url).  Gary Robinson took an interest in Graham's paper, and wrote
  an insightful commentary (url) in which he presented several suggestions
  (untested) for improvements to Graham's method.  I was intrigued,
  and modified bogofilter 0.7 (and subsequently 0.7.4 and 0.7.5) to try
  them out.  Initial tests (my page url) looked promising.  Discussion
  with David Smythe led to consensus that further testing would be
  worthwhile; we were interested in answering (more completely) the
  following two questions: yadda yadda yadda...

> Gotta go.  The neighborhood trick or treaters are starting to arrive.

It rained here, so only a few hardy little souls wandered soggily
round...

-- 
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As you probably realized, my results in this latest round of testing,  
if they hold up, invalidate a lot of work that I and others have done.
It's very clear (and I will revise the discussion to say so explicitly) 
that the Robinson method, in particular, shouldn't be tested by having 
it re-evaluate its own training data.  If we do that, Robinson will
look good, but the test will have no value in predicting the
performance of the Robinson method in production, where most messages  
are new.
   
I'm not very surprised at this; I've always known that using training  
data for testing was a dangerous expedient.  It's impressive _how_
dangerous it turns out to be in the case of Robinson's approach,
though. 

Regards..............
-- 
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|   http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb |   finger greg@sbc.nu |

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U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said she will <b>release 
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the U.S. stock markets close this afternoon. Kollar-Kotelly 
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on parallel tracks: whether to <b>approve a tentative deal</b> that 
Microsoft and the U.S. Justice Department inked last fall, and 
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<b>Windows 2000 and Windows XP servers</b> can be attacked through the software ordinarily used to create secure connections to remote workers, Microsoft said late Wednesday. A buffer overflow in the implementation of <b>Point to Point Tunneling Protocol</b> allows attackers to cause any Windows 2000 or Windows XP servers to crash. <b>A patch is available</b> for the bug, which received a "critical" rating from Microsoft. The company also warned of a bug in Windows 2000 that could allow an attacker to sabotage the system via a Trojan horse. With the two new warnings, Microsoft has issued 64 alerts this year.

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Just because your company spends a lot on security, it <b>doesn't mean it's safe</b> from cyberattacks. ZDNet's <b>Robert Vamosi</b> gives advice on how to determine your true security needs, and offers cost-effective ways to address them. Have you conducted a security assessment lately? 
	

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<td class="v2" width="100%"><a href="http://cl.com.com/Click?q=a8-02XZQQZsjZdrEBXxvuZQwtLKs3cR" class="nd"><b class="a4">Weak copyrights would kill "fair use"</b></a><br />

<b>John Carroll</b>: While piracy is rampant in third-world countries, attempts to weaken current laws to allow the <b>legal spread of technology</b> will only cause the copyright holders to tighten their grip.

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<a href="http://cl.com.com/Click?q=d2-THo_QULD_DY-3rUT4rbG5KSyDPZR" class="nd"><b class="a4">Whatever happened to exchanges?</b></a><br />

Exchanges aren't dead, but <b>Howard Baldwin</b> suggests that they've undergone such a <b>radical change</b> that you might not recognize them anymore.	

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<a href="http://cl.com.com/Click?q=e7-2y-GQmVje38MCG0kRYSXdNUitdsR" class="nd"><b class="a4">Project-tracking software gains ground</b></a><br />
	

Goodbye ERP and CRM, hello PSA. <b>Professional Services Authomation</b> is one of the few enterprise software packages making the IT budgets this year, says <b>TechRepublic</b>.

	
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<b>Properly designed networks</b> save companies a lot of money by reducing bandwidth costs and deployment time. Network modeling tools can help in that effort by <b>cutting maintenance and operations costs</b>.

	
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Get over it, says <b>David Berlind</b>. If we continue to <b>criticize Microsoft</b> for its 
security and reliability problems, yet refuse the company a 
chance to clean house, then that just makes us a bunch of 
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<td class="v2"><a href="http://cl.com.com/Click?q=51-QgUWIjJphg_AxDjZ2Uc2BC0ezN4R" class="nd"><b class="a4">Ooops--global handheld market shrinks</b></a><br />

Worldwide handheld shipments dipped more than 2 percent in the third quarter, according to a revised report from <b>Dataquest</b>. The earlier report had shipments rising. 
	

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In a crowded field of start-ups, <b>Iridigm</b> looks to light up displays with a new technology that could <b>consume less power than rival screens</b>--and maybe snatch customers from LCDs.
	
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Hello there,

I've installed Mandrake 9.0 and I've noticed that the system every 10
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I think you right-click on the Panel and choose Add.  It'll be one of the
applets that are available.  I think it's called "Pager".

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All,

I am running Redhat 7.2.  The other day I filled up my  root partition 
where eveything is stored and my system crashed/froze.  I was able to 
telnet in and reboot.  When it came back up I started moving things off 
the root partition and onto a separate partition.  In the process I 
somehow hosed my virtual terminals in the corner on the panel and cannot 
figure out how to get them back.  The virtual terminals just 
disappeared.  It may have happened as a result of the crash or in the 
process of moving things off the root partition ... not sure.  Any idea 
how I can fix this and get my Virtual Terminals back?

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Hi,

Does anybody know of  Mozilla quickstart in Linux. Or there is no such 
thing !!!
Well, this feature is there in M$ Windows and not in Linux !!!! I 
thought it is an Open Source project originating in the Open Source 
World, so shouldn't it be having good killer features in Linux atleast !

Especially when, the main place Linux is lacking good speed is the web 
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Hi.
The html version of the writeup is now at
http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb/bogofilter/test6000.html
but it's an orphan; there are no links to it yet.

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Use the editor in MC. It's dead simple to use. no silly command strings

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On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:49 pm, ET wrote:
> On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:32 pm, Toshiro wrote:
> > Anybody knows why Mandrake is no longer providing this package?

Does that include its parts such as pico?  It would be nice for pico to be
included by itself if possible as it is one of the easiest to use text-based
editors there is.  Vi and emacs are monstrosities that require a great deal
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Doesn't MC require a working X?  If X is toasted, is the MC editor still=20
useable?=20=20

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>
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> On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:49 pm, ET wrote:
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>
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On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 15:26, Bill Beauchemin wrote:
> I wasa running a much older version of apache and openssl that i thought
> were ok but nooooooooo I guess this hack works with even the old stuff.
> I also didnt think somebody would be interested in my little private
> home email and web server. Oh well I learned my lesson. Now I ogts to go
> and get the apache, openssl, and the modssl patches.
>=20

The internet is much too large to go plucking IP's out of the air and
hoping that they are interesting.  What happens is that the kiddie
scripts scan whole subnets for ip's with known and gross vulnerability
signatures.  Then they kindly compile a list of interesting IP's,
sometimes filtered by the vunerability that the cracker/kiddie is
looking for (because that's the one they have the intrusion tools for).

Then they just use the intrusion tools on the IP's with the most
interesting vulnerability signatures.

LX

--=20
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Kernel  2.4.18-6mdk     Mandrake Linux  8.2
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On 20021101 (Fri) at 0859:38 -0500, David Smythe wrote:
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> 
> >Hi.
> >The html version of the writeup is now at
> >http://www.sbc.nu/~glamb/bogofilter/test6000.html
> >but it's an orphan; there are no links to it yet.
> 
> It _is_ posted?  Or is it _about_ to be posted?  Your web server is giving 
> me "Not Found" messages.

Sorry.  After sending the email I realized I had put the stuff on the
master and not uploaded to the server.  It was no more than 3 minutes!
Anyhow it's there now.

> On a different topic - the bogofilter mailing list - I'm trying to reach 
> James at his new job.  I know he's at Rseem Int'l with website 
> www.rseem.com.  Their contact address is info@rseem.com (as expected).  I'm 
> trying to guess his email address to let him know about the mail server. 
> I've tried sending to james@rseem.com, asarbo@rseem.com, sarbo, james.sarbo, 
> and james_sarbo.  All have bounced.  Have you any hot ideas?

Try an email to info asking them to ask James to send you his new
address?  That ought to work if whoever gets the request knows the
answer; they'll just forward it to him.

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Someone mentioned a few days ago that they were using Big Brother or looking
at it for monitoring sites.  I'm on a short term contract at Jackson
National Life Insurance and they use SiteScope for monitoring their servers
(AIX, Solaris, Linux, NT, 2000) to good effect.  It's written in Java and is
available for Linux.

I'm working with SiteScope right now.  It's pretty feature rich.  
I'm also looking at Nagios.

Cheers,



Rodney Hampton

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On 20021101 (Fri) at 1016:48 -0500, David Smythe wrote:
> 
> One issue spotted so far.  bogoGR.png is too tall for Galeon on a 1024x768 
> screen, or for Windows Mozilla.  The horizontal label up to 0.06 nearly 
> fills the screen.  Since the vertical axis goes up to 0.08, I'd estimate 
> that the png is about 1/3 too tall.

I know.  It's 945x923 pixels.  I haven't yet learned how to control
font size, so if I let R put that many data on a smaller canvas, labels
get omitted.  I tried shrinking it with ImageMagick and ended up trying
to draw lines less than a pixel thick, which didn't work too
marvellously either.  So I guess people without 1600x1200 screens will
have to use the scrollbars till I can think of something.  (Come to
think of it, maybe the par command is what I need to look at...)

R is quite frustrating to work with because there's no comprehensive
learning documentation.  There's an introduction that gets you started,
and then there's an alphabetical reference book with all the functions'
man pages, many of which are a bit short on detail.  For many of the
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nice big book on how to get things done with R, and it seems nobody's
written one yet.

As I write this, snow is beginning to hide the grass outside; we're
having what Environment Canada calls "flurries heavy at times" and this
is one of the times.  Fun in prospect.  Wonder if my snowblower works
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Hi again:

The par command was the trick.  Doing par(ps=9) allowed me to cut the
.png file down to 655x655; still 'way too big for standard VGA but ok
for most current displays, I guess.

Thanks for prodding me on it...

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On Friday 01 November 2002 10:56 am, logic7 wrote:
> And it's still even easier than that with MC.
> 	MC
> 	browse to the file then F4
> 	edit the file
> 	F2 to save
> done.

I just tried mc for the first time to test the editor.  It is quite easy wi=
th=20
the handholding that I desire (menus with keys associated with standard=20
commands - no memorization required).  It is simple. Thanx for pointing it=
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I cant get my Asus v8420 Graphics card to work properly.
It works just fine in text mode, but thats it. Mandrake 9 graphical 
installation makes the computer hang. and when I try to install the card 
after an succesful text installation DrakX tells me "could not found any 
devices" 

It works just fine under M$ XP

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> Much, much better.  It fits nicely on the screen, though (to pick a nit) 
> the titles are a bit small.

Yes but if I do ps=10 (ie use 10 point type instead of 9) I have to go
back up to 900x900 before it will print all the labels :(

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personally, i wouldn't/don't want countless programs loading
automatically and unnecessarily, and this all begs the question -
which programs are to do this own their own?  if mozilla nad
openoffice, why not every single program loaded on every
available storage medium?

unless each program has a definable option to let me decide which
ones to pre-load, i'd much rather keep my RAM (however much or
little i may have) free to do with as i choose, not as every
program i choose to keep decides.  for openoffice, i leave it up
for as long as i forsee needing to use it - sometimes hours or
days if i do constant updates to something.  otherwise i can
afford to wait until it comes up, doing other tasks in the meantime.

preloading has its place and definite benefits, but it may well
not be suitable for all; don't try to make it so.


--- Original Message ---
From: Sandeep Khanna <sandeep.khanna@villanova.edu>
To: Sevatio <seveman@attbi.com>, expert@linux-mandrake.com
Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake 9......Mozilla Quickstart?

>Hi,
>
>
>Sevatio wrote:
>
>> I've seen "quickstarts" of many kinds in Windoze, but out of 
>> curiosity:  How much resources does a "quickstart" consume? 
Doesn't 
>> it preload parts of the application therefore unnecessarily
using up 
>> resources? Why not just start it from an icon?
>
>With RAM so cheap and sop plenty, I don't think that should be a 
>problem. Why do people still want to go back to Windows?? One of
the 
>reasons being, good User Interface principles............Hourglass 
>cursor when a program is loading, quick Browser opening, quick 
>spreadsheet opening...etc....
>
>Linux is known to be fast, but, applications like Mozilla, Open
Office 
>put shame on it's great reputation. I am sure this must not be
anyone's 
>intention and there must be ways to tackle this. One of them being 
>loading portions of software during login or startup.
>
>--Sandeep
>
>>
>>
>> Sandeep Khanna wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does anybody know of  Mozilla quickstart in Linux. Or there
is no 
>>> such thing !!!
>>> Well, this feature is there in M$ Windows and not in Linux
!!!! I 
>>> thought it is an Open Source project originating in the Open
Source 
>>> World, so shouldn't it be having good killer features in
Linux atleast !
>>>
>>> Especially when, the main place Linux is lacking good speed
is the 
>>> web browsing experience with the big lizard 'Mozilla' and Office 
>>> Suite like Open Office or KOffice (all of them damn slow !!!)
>>>
>>> Sandeep
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to 
>>> http://www.mandrakestore.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>-- 
>Sandeep Khanna
>Graduate Student in Computer Science, 
>Villanova University
>Contact Number: 
>(Home) 1-610-964-1320 
>(Office) 1-877-946-4622 Ext (106) 
>(Cell) 1-267-253-6808
>	
>
>Quote of the day:
>
>Failure is the foundation of truth. It teaches us what isn't
true, and that is a great beginning. To fear failure is to fear
the possibility of truth.
>--Joan Chittister
>
>
>




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I am working on the same project and have the same setup using OpenVMS. 

Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Hawkins [mailto:khawkins@nwcc.bc.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:51 PM
To: mandrake expert
Subject: [expert] Spamassassin

Sorry if this is a repeat posting; suffering mail hiccups.

Im Looking for some help/advice...

New project put on my desk this morning....
Management want spam controlled better than current method, co-worker
(sys admin) doesn't want to change over mail system wholesale.

Current setup
In:
INTERNET--->Webshield(Antivirus on W2K)--->OpenVMS(VAX POP system)--->User
Out:
INTERNET<-----OpenVMS(SMTP)<-----------Webshield(Antivirus on W2K)<---User

The request is to place SpamAssassin somewhere in the middle, before or
after the W2K server.

I have CD's for MDK 7.2, 8.2, and 9.0. The available box is a 1st
generation pentium. The box would be dedicated to the 1 program.

Management is NOT prepared to move off the VAX/OpenVMS email server.

I am looking for suggestion/ideas on setup. I am NOT a guru, and
couldn't program my way out of a wet paper bag 8^], but I do know my way
around the file system, and can even get by at CLI with no mouse....

Thanks in advance

Ken







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Hi again:

I've just fired off a note to Gary Robinson, giving him the url of the
draft paper and asking him to take a look if he has the time and the
interest.  I'd like some feedback from a more knowledgeable
statistician than I am, and he'd be an excellent candidate if he
undertakes the review.  I particularly asked him if he had any comments
on the suitability of anova for this kind of data reduction.  AFAIK the
main prerequisite is that the raw data should be normally distributed,
or close to it; the error rates are obviously not normally distributed,
but I think they're close enough.  My "expertise" is inadequate for me
to be completely confident about it, however; all the anova work I've
done hitherto has been in areas where the data, or at least a log
transform thereof, were unquestionably suitable for anova.

There are some more small wording changes and I've fixed a number of
places in the scripts where the HTML rendering was swallowing stuff
that started with < and a letter.  Not quite sure but I think I've
caught all of those now.

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you should have nano available to you -- it's a GPL clone of pico,
behaves exactly the same.

On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 05:34, Praedor Tempus wrote:
> On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:49 pm, ET wrote:
> > On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:32 pm, Toshiro wrote:
> > > Anybody knows why Mandrake is no longer providing this package?
> 
> Does that include its parts such as pico?  It would be nice for pico to be 
> included by itself if possible as it is one of the easiest to use text-based 
> editors there is.  Vi and emacs are monstrosities that require a great deal 
> of cryptic command string memorization while pico is all right there.  I 
> depend upon it to fix things from the CLI when things with the GUI go down 
> the tubes.
> 
> praedor
> 
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Chad wrote:

> I remember reading an article in Linux Journal or something like that that
> explained how to setup snort or some other software package to automatically
> detect a port scan in progress and then to automatically block any other
> connection attempts by that IP address.  It automatically creates a block
> using iptables/ipchains so there is no hacking risk if they portscan you
> first because their IP will be blocked.  That is, unless they on on DHCP /
> Dial-Up / or using someone else's computer as their jump-off.  However, it's
> better than nothing.
> 
> Unfortunately, I forgot what the software was, but I'm sure a good google
> search using some of the keywords I've mentioned will find it.

This is very useful; some Linux based firewalls such as Watchguard have
a similar feature. But I've noticed that the IP scanning is becoming
smarter to get around these blocks. The scanner will touch a few
machines, just under the lockout threshold, then try again a few hours
or days later. Some blocks won't check multiple IPs so a scanner could
jump between a range of IPs and not trigger the alarm with a portscan.



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On 20021101 (Fri) at 1407:42 -0500, David Smythe wrote:

> That'd be great if he can proof it.

Hope he will.  He was quite helpful when I was getting started.

> html likes to have special characters spelled out.  If you need, I can 
> probably dig up a list for you.

Thanks, but I think I have what I need.

There are two ways to fix that particular problem:
(1) separate the < from the text; as in
    <corpus.good becomes < corpus.good
(2) use the character entity:
    <corpus.good becomes &lt;corpus.good

I do quite a lot of writing in html; I'm volunteer webmaster for a
charitable org, I do a telecommuter's diary on the company internal web
site, I'm webmaster for my department's web pages, and then of course
there's my personal site.  I use a plain ordinary text editor, so I'm
fairly familiar with many of the tags and entities; and when need
arises, there's always the O'Reilly nutshell book :)

The trick, when one is adding tags to a document not originally written
in html, is to _find_ all the < signs that need attention.  It's easy
if you remember to do that _before_ you start to add tags; but
afterwards, a string search on < is somewhat unrewarding ;-)

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Still living in Milford but working in Plymouth - and Novi.
Full time at Broder Bros, distributor of sportswear, and a
few hours a week at ADCO in Novi, Real Estate deveoloper.

Dating a lady from Grand Blanc so I don't get to be home
much.

My two girls are a) graduated from MSU in 2001 and now at
Eastern trying to get a masters and b) graduated from UofM
Med School in 2002 now in Chicago in the first year of her
residency at North Western.

All is crazy, and normal.

     <Art>

On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:24:58 -0500
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> >FYI
> 
> Art,
> 
> Thank you kindly.  Where does Netstar have you working
> now?  Are you still in Milford?
> 
> I'm still on Keech.  Mary and the kids are well.  The
> young'uns are now in 3 different schools - Linda in 4th
> grade at Bach Elementary, Mark in 7th at Slauson Middle,
> and Eric in 9th at Pioneer.  All doing well and growing
> like weeds.  Eric is taller than Mary and nearly as tall
> as the old guy.  'Tis fun :-)
> 
> David
> 
> 

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[Skip Montanaro]
> That's true, largely because that's what the focus of the initial phase of
> the project was supposed to be.  Even if it gets no farther than it is
> today, the process has been highly educational for me, because we have an
> expert in algorithm design (that'd be Tim) exposing his thought processes
> and mechanics for the rest of us.

I'm glad you've found it amusing <wink>.  I'm afraid "think for a second,
code for a minute, test for a day; repeat 6 times before you get a small
win" is par for the course when trying to push any decent scheme beyond the
80/20 rule (each additional 20% improvement requires 80% of all the effort
that went before).

> That said, I think the classification stuff has gone about as far as it's
> going to go.

Me too.  The classifier is hack-free now, as clean and uncompromising a
realization of the underlying math as anything can be.  The assumption of
word independence is a limitation of the approach, though.

> Future changes to the tokenizer are also likely to be incremental, so
> the major changes over the next while will be in email integration.

Yup!  Thanks to Sean and especially Mark lately, the non-Windows platforms
are a month behind on that too.  It's a curious thing about Windows:
because it is closed-source, the Windows market is homogenous enough that
one major effort there can make millions of happy campers.  I still hope
that the pop3proxy can do that for non-Windows systems too, and that's the
only advice I can offer:  find a way to use the proxy instead of pursuing
"deep integration" with unbounded dozens of quirky twenty-user email
clients.


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November 1, 2002
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Special Flash: Judge Kotar-Kotelly approves final judgment
in Microsoft Case
 
When something big breaks in the technology industry, What's
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Verdict: Judge Collen Kollar-Kotelly approves the proposed
final judgment, siding with the federal government and nine
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Columbia. This is a huge win for Microsoft:
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Judge rules Microsoft can't retaliate against OEMs for five
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supposedly anti-competitive business practices.
 
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reviewing the decision. The nine states and District of Columbina 
who dissented from the proposed agreement may still appeal the 
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> Yup!  Thanks to Sean and especially Mark lately, the non-Windows platforms
> are a month behind on that too.  It's a curious thing about Windows:
> because it is closed-source, the Windows market is homogenous enough that
> one major effort there can make millions of happy campers.  I still hope
> that the pop3proxy can do that for non-Windows systems too, and that's the
> only advice I can offer:  find a way to use the proxy instead of pursuing
> "deep integration" with unbounded dozens of quirky twenty-user email
> clients.
>
Mark, mostly. I just complain.

I'd like to second the pop3proxy architecture as the way forward. If it
weren't for the fact that virus scanners weren't already sometimes adding
both pop3 and smtp proxies to the mix on Windows,
I would have pushed (er, whined) in favor of that architecture even for
Outlook. (There is also the problem of how to configure proxies for the case
of multiple pop3 accounts). You can mangle the host, user, and password
together in a horrible looking user name, but it is really a pain.

Nonetheless, it has a relatively clean API, and the same architecture could
be used to proxy SMTP output traffic, catching messages to ham@wherever and
spam@wherever, in order to talk to the training
system. The same code then might run pretty happily on both the client and
the server, depending on the needs of the installation.

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Hi again:

Gary is "excited" that his method is in mainline bogofilter now.  He
will read through the page and let us know if he has comments.

The spambayes people have been working on/with a further refinement of
Gary's, involving a chi-square calculation.  I knew about this (in
concept, not in detail) but was daunted by the computation overhead. 
Gary says he doesn't know about that but thinks it ought to be doable. 
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>>>>> "TP" == Tim Peters <tim.one@comcast.net> writes:

  TP> [Jeremy Hylton]
  >> The pop proxy is great for people who use pop, but lots of people
  >> don't.

  TP> Name 362.  Ha!

Guido and at least 361 other people <wink>.

  >> Even for people who use pop, the proxy doesn't help with training
  >> at all.  So I'm afraid it's just a mess for non-Windows users.

  TP> I don't know that means it can't be less of a mess, though.  For
  TP> example, I expect we could use a common Training class, which
  TP> manages a database of opaque message objects and takes care of
  TP> things like calling appropriate classifier methods at
  TP> appropriate times, and remembering which messages have been
  TP> trained on as what.  Mark invented a bunch of code like that for
  TP> the Outlook client, but there's really nothing Outlook-specific
  TP> about it apart from the all Outlook-specific bits <wink>.  Those
  TP> could be factored out, though.

I should look at integrating Mark's code and my own training system
based on VM folders.  See what common code falls out.

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Try joe, which I believe is still released with Mandrake.  It's comparable
to pico.

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>> On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:49 pm, ET wrote:
>> > On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:32 pm, Toshiro wrote:
>> > > Anybody knows why Mandrake is no longer providing this package?
>>
>> Does that include its parts such as pico?  It would be nice for pico to be
>> included by itself if possible as it is one of the easiest to use
>> text-based editors there is.  Vi and emacs are monstrosities that require a
>> great deal of cryptic command string memorization while pico is all right
>> there.  I depend upon it to fix things from the CLI when things with the
>> GUI go down the tubes.
>>
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Subject: Re: [MDLUG] mail filter + Mail::Audit

Garret Sandlot wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 22:57, Tom Amazon wrote:
> 
>>HI JOE!!
>>
>>Have you ever looked at Mail::Audit?
>>Seems to be the Frankenstein between procmail and perl.
> 
> 
> Hi Tom:
> 
>  I thought Spamassassin was built atop Mail::Audit.  Seems I was wrong,
> but yes, I know about it.  I thought you did as well.
> 
>  I'll bet its probably pretty close to what you want....
> 
> Joe
> 

I don't think that email confirmation is all that effective. 
Especially for someone who is fairly free with their address.  You 
never know what someone is going to use for an auto-responder when 
you subscribe some email-newsletter.  This is just one example.

What I liked about Mail::Audit when I saw it was the simplicity of 
how it wrapped up various functions.

The one thing that I have learned so far about email filters is that:
1 -- bouncing mail back to spammers only blows up your mail-queue.
2 -- Having a queue of 2700 emails is a real pain.
3 -- If you are going to blacklist someone, do it /dev/null style
4 -- Whitelisting might be better, add auto-replies to confirm
      that the Sender was not tossed into the bit bucket.
5 -- with bogofilter and spamassassin (not spamd) I can only
      manage about 1 email per second overall.

I backed off from spamd because they have so many warnings about 
the potential problems with running as root.  I decided since I'm 
not running a major email server I can push this back to the 
slower, yet potentially more secure spamassassin.
Do you know where spamd puts the auto-whitelists?  I couldn't find 
them.  That was the other reason I went to spamd.

Mail::Audit is a tool that any spam-combatant should be aware of.

-- 
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