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CentOS Board - meeting agenda - 2020-03-25
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CentOS Board - meeting agenda - 2020-03-25
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Attendees
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Guests
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Actions
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Decisions, resolutions, and agreements
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Agenda + Minutes
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Public minutes
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Attendees
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Mike McLean
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Karanbir Singh
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Ralph Angenendt
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Karsten Wade
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Johnny Hughes
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Jim Perrin
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Guests
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N/A
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Actions
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ACTION: Karsten converting today’s discussion into a draft criteria doc.
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ACTION: Directors to pair as sponsors with incoming Directors.
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Decisions, resolutions, and agreements
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Agenda + Minutes
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Bold-faced items should be addressed in this meeting.
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EOL for 8
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Spec we need; what are objectives and how do we solve them?
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Begin to list out criteria for CentOS Stream to replace CentOS Linux 8 where it matters to us.
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We want these groups taken care of, but need to know what “taken care of” means: Market segments worksheet
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JH: CPE is working to get things going, but there hasn’t been a commit to git that wasn’t manually rolled-in.
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JH: To be usable, has to be updated, continually updated, and that the system can actually be used.
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JP: This informs the baseline
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JH: publicly committed bugs, infrastructure, etc. where people who are not just RH customers, members of the community can get in, ask for, show stuff, interact publicly on -devel list
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JH: This must be a promise.
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JH: What about the maintenance phase? 
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JP: Maintenance phase is almost exclusively embargoed content; committed to developing product in Stream, they may wish at a certain point that CentOS stop doing the builds and binaries, to get the userbases interested in shifting to the next thing.
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JH: Need to state the timeline up front for how long a versioned Stream is going to be developed into.
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JP: What Cormier wants is that we don’t focus on the Stream versions from the Project communication/marketing.
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KB: what happens when there is a rollover of the main Stream? What happens in the trenches (rather than on the marketing page)?
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JP: transition period of 12-18 months where there is a X, X+1 versions out there.
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KB: Red Hat must be invested in keeping the lights on during that transition time.
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 JP: Is sure development is going to happen, but RH Eng/BU will want CentOS to stop building the binaries. All the work will be in the public, they want our help in pushing the latest content.
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JH: What release point will the binaries stop?
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JP: This is for the entire life of feature development phase (Phase 1) binaries will be needed and desired. When Phase 1 stops RH wants us to move people to the next Phase 1-based Stream. Typically five years.
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JH: Is that 5 years + 18 months so criteria of End of Phase 1 plus 18 months or plus 12 months or … What do we need so that we don’t lose to Oracle?
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JP: A little before that, current intent is to have RHEL 9 beta be CentOS Stream and no RHEL beta.
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KB: We need at least 36 months of stable plus 18 months beyond that, that we should be able to work with. There will only be two Stream versions at a time..
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JP: 8 is going to be a weird reduced lifecycle, we have to do fuzzy math with 8 stream. 9 is our best model to define from.
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MM: We need adoption before we can yank out the rug and alienate users, which is not what anyone wants.
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KB: %'sage adoption is a good metric to add as well, its not easy to measure so we need to have something that can be qualified
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Needs a finite, measurable thing such as hitrate on mirrors; logs from mirrors.centos.org. Representative of trends.
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KB: “If 25% of traffic on mirrorlist has to shift”
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KB: Chris wants to have an announcement by a time period, but what actually happens when is different.
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KB: Can we get to the qualification of what is a good enough CentOS distribution? If 8 Stream ends up not quite being the adoption vehicle, then we can call it a POC and have a solid plan for 9.
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JH: Phase 1+$time_period is necessary to transition to keep from losing people off the cliff.
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RA: Years vs. Phase 1 vs. commitment for RHEL 3 years (so RHEL + transition phase).
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JP: 3 years announced already, committed, going to push layers to move over.
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RA: what are the actual years for the Phases?
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Phase 1 - 5 years feature development
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Maintenance Support 1
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Phase 2 - 2 years maintenance bugfix secfix
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Phase 3 - 2 years gathering dust
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MM: One viable criteria is proof of community participation in Stream--RH Engineers, yes, but the rest of the community. We can measure this, this shows adoption/caring.
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RA: Measure work into bug tracker, different points of contact across the different bug trackers.
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JH: We have broad agreement that the Download button changes to follow the new thing.
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JH: Let’s not be shorter than a Debian devel cycle.
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Update on Pat & Thomas
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Who wants to sponsor each of them? 2 volunteers needed
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Johnny for Pat, Mike for Thomas
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Thomas all lined up
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Pat conversation with Bonnie, Garry hopefully coming next week
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Goal is to have them closed and announced before end of March, on the April call
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CentOS Stream items
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Liaison role - draft?
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Next meeting
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Update on logo redesign
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Website redesign
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Ask Tuomas to help guide the other designer through the approval process, cf. logo?
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What else?
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Update on IRC channel -- FIXED
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Bylaws memory?
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Rolling (last from 2020-02-11):
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(Private) Trademark Guidelines review:
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What works & what does not.
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What do we want to get fixed; who wants to work on that.
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(Private) Advisory Council - discussion toward a proposal - discussion draft
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On hold while goals discussion is held, which includes a review and update of governance. We’ll figure out what model we want from that and how this idea might fit.
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Any other topics aka What other things do you want on our master initiatives list?
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Stepping-up our meeting norms
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(Private) New Board members
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Transparency initiatives
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Public minutes
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On YYYY-MM-DD the CentOS Board of Directors met …
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Narrative summary of what was discussed.
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In support of these efforts, the Board came to the following decisions, resolutions, and agreements:
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Item 1
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AGREED or
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ACTION
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Item N
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AGREED or
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ACTION
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Present at the meeting:
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(Secretary)
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(Chair)
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