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# Board minutes 2016-06-15
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## Attendees
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* Jim Perrin
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* KB Singh (Chair)
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* Fabian Arrotin
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* Johnny Hughes
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* Karsten Wade (Secretary, meeting #2)
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* Michael McLean
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* Ralph Angenendt
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* Carl Trieloff
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## Guests
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* Richard Megginson (OpsTools SIG)
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* Matthias Runge (OpsTools SIG)
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## Agenda & notes
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### Optools SIG
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* Lack of tools in CentOS (and Fedora) for operators of large infrastructure/installations
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* Doesn’t fit in e.g. Cloud SIG
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* Home for these tools + bits and pieces to install/config infrastructure
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* E.g. if logging, there are good & bad examples of what to log, how to log, etc.
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* So provide a guide of how-to install each specific tool, what to watch, etc.
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* E.g. OpenStack installations log way too much, including things that are not errors but look like errors, so need some filtering afterwards.
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* Useful outside of each specific SIG.
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* Relationship with Config Mgmt SIG
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 * Would provide manifests/playbooks/recipes/etc. To get tools installed would first look to existing sources in CentOS & SIGs.
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 * Configs ultimately belong to the Config Mgmt SIG.
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* Working against duplicated efforts in tools stacks
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* Diff stacks of software reimplement or bring in the same tools
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* Use case:  correlate logs amongst all these things
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 * E.g. openshift on top of openstack, want to be able to correlate the logged error into each part of the stack - storage, underlying OS, orchestration, etc.
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 * Give operators tools to do deep-cause analysis
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* KB - having ELK, graphon, etc. in the project helps on community side as we have a very operator-heavy base, many potential consumers.
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* Proposal is on the wiki -- https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/OpsTools
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* What about the lack of upstream connection? Are any SIG members from the relevant upstream projects.
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    * Most things are not in our direct control, refer back up to EPEL.
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    * Willing to build bridges into upstreams where there are no existing upstream developers here
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    * Talking with actual upstream developers.
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    * Elastic is changing to an ‘open core’/’commercial open source’ model
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    * Have some contributions in
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    * Paying attention to open source replacements for problematic source models.
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* Can start with current proposed package set, but can replace components one-at-a-time without disrupting user experience.
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* Provide modularity so we’re not locked in
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* “Log collector package” -- don’t need to know what is underneath, but can choose if you prefer.
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* Vote - Should the OpsTools SIG proposal be accepted and the SIG move forward?
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    * +1 from all present
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    * Tru vote, comments, questions requested
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### SIGs ready for rise up?
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* Cloud SIG getting quite close
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    * Work is having a lot of influence on downstream
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    * Sorting out how that’s going to work
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    * Maybe segregate RH parts?
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    * Maturing very quickly
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    * Expect to see them in self-admin mode soon-ish
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* PaaS SIG very organized
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    * Closed group
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    * Quite RH focused
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    * Not ready yet, maybe next meeting or so?
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* Virt SIG
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    * Established, self-organized
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    * But … George Dunlap is moving from packaging to developing upstream
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    * He’s actively looking for a takeover
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    * Waiting for leadership shift
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### Credit Suisse
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* SE Asia operations invests 5 to 7 mil in corporate social responsibility, including into technology
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    * Hosting contests, giving away laptops, etc.
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    * Want to spend on FLOSS projects
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    * Moving dev environment from Debian to CentOS
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    * Have 150 servers to contribute to FOSS projects
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    * Spread across: Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Sydney
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    * Need to handle hosting ourselves
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    * Can we get that DC space?
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    * Yes, via RH sponsorship, we can start this
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* Additional discussions
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    * Host Dojos
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    * Sponsor local community people in those specific countries
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    * Reasonable interest in that piece
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* Sponsorship level?
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    * Likely they host the details themselves
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    * We may not need to create a ‘level’
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    * Support might be 1 to 4 years through their contracts, depending on how much we have installed
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    * Might be a foot in the door toward further contributions that are equally or more meaningful.
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* Value
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    * What is the value of these machines v. cost to us to host v. canvassing for more hosting?
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    * July call to thrash out synergy
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* Figure out hosting costs
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