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21:04:16 <quaid> #startmeeting CentOS Board public meeting
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21:04:16 <centbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 5 21:04:16 2014 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:04:16 <centbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
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21:07:11 <quaid> #topic Core S
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21:07:19 <quaid> #topic Core SIG
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21:07:36 * quaid thinks that is in the log although centbot doesn't have OPs to change the local channel topic
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21:08:39 <quaid> #info although RHEL 7 upstream isn't doing a 32-bit build, we have reason to do it as part of building the main distro.
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21:08:44 <quaid> #idea 32-bit is part of Core SIG
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21:08:49 <quaid> #idea or 32-bit is it's own SIG
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21:09:37 <quaid> #info for 64-bit we don't need to build 32-bit ISOs, make sure installs work, and make sure kernels work
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21:09:54 <quaid> #idea we could do most of the work in the Core SIG and have the 32-bit SIG focus on the final ISO building and testing
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21:16:42 <quaid> #agreed Core SIG can produce 32-bit RPMs, and 32-bit SIG can focus on building and testing ISOs; as that SIG gains merit they can gain more access to do the work; all of the work could be tested as part of the QA.
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21:17:09 <quaid> #topic Virt SIG proposal
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21:25:36 <quaid> #info Virt SIG would be for all virtualization-related updated software needs, bootstrapping with Xen
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21:30:39 <quaid> #idea SIGs should look to the common e.g. qemu in Virt SIG (even to maybe carry a patch for them) before carrying their own variation of a package in their own SIG
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21:31:02 <quaid> #idea make it so everyone can consume from central
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21:31:25 <quaid> #idea Virt SIG could be a good place for carrying the latest upstream KVM for those who want it
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21:31:47 <hughesjr> also a new libvirt is going to be needed
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21:31:56 <ccmolik> +1 on new kvm shinynes
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21:32:14 <csieh> So is there a "charter" for what the Core SIG should do
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21:32:17 <quaid> #info Virt SIG will also need to carry a new libvirt
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21:32:31 <quaid> hughesjr: was that an accurate capture of your statement?
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21:32:53 <hughesjr> yes
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21:32:55 <quaid> csieh: this is the best for now:
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21:32:57 <quaid> http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Core
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21:33:12 <quaid> but it could be updated, such as to include the 32-bit discussion for Cent 7
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21:34:15 <Evolution> csieh: is there something in that you'd like to see updated or changed?
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21:35:38 <csieh> just would like the goal to be documented, if changed that is ok just need to document it so others can know what is going on
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21:36:12 <quaid> #action Core SIG needs to update it's charter & run that by the Board
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21:36:44 <csieh> so the above web page talks about CentOS, so what really is CentOS as far as this discussion is concerned
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21:37:57 <Evolution> csieh: yeah, we need to word that loads better. I think it needs to reference the packages (and build requirements) for the upstream(rh) packages only.
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21:38:10 <kbsingh> so, CentOS Linux
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21:38:13 <hughesjr> it says CentOS Linux ... so it controls everything that is NON-SIG
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21:38:23 <hughesjr> or CoreOS
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21:39:09 <hughesjr> and manages all infrastructure owned by the project
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21:40:25 <quaid> #info 'CentOS' in the Core SIG description means "CentOS Linux, controls everything not done by other SIGs, is the core OS"
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21:40:43 <quaid> hughesjr: I thought we had the Infra SIG as a different SIG, with Core SIG maintaining the build system(s)?
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21:41:04 <hughesjr> we WILL have one, but not yet
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21:41:08 <quaid> in that I'd like us to be able to add people to Infra SIG without being part of the Core SIG - diff skillsets, merit criteria, etc.
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21:41:12 <quaid> hughesjr: ok, thanks
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21:41:38 <quaid> #idea have an Infra SIG that takes the infrastructure management work off the hands of the Core SIG, who can then maintian just the build system (or systems for the community builders)
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21:42:16 <toracat> who would maintain the source files through git.centos.org ?
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21:42:38 <Evolution> toracat: depends on which code you mean?
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21:42:47 <toracat> RHEL
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21:43:28 <Evolution> we would, the same/similar way we do so now in the private build setup. it'll be read-only and branched
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21:43:57 <Evolution> the rhel code would be able to be branched/forked etc. but not edited.
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21:44:08 <toracat> we == Core SIG ?
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21:44:10 <hughesjr> the Core SIG will maintain the CentOS Linux source code in git.centos.org ... other SIGs will maintain their code in there
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21:44:19 <Evolution> toracat: yes.
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21:44:24 <toracat> thanks
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21:45:20 <Evolution> toracat: sorry. abusing the 'royal we'
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21:45:41 <toracat> :D
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21:45:43 <hughesjr> we is we and it is everyone who is not they :D
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21:46:30 <Evolution> toracat: good point/question though
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21:46:39 <toracat> I want to hear range talk :) he is too quiet
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21:47:04 <Arrfab> toracat: .eu people are silent and almost sleeping :-p
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21:47:06 <hughesjr> he is asleep
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21:47:17 <toracat> I see now
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21:48:58 <Evolution> $5 says range has a nice lager/ale beside him.
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21:49:02 <quaid> range looks a bit like a monk in his mini-vid inset pic
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21:49:58 <quaid> yeah, I want video voting cards
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21:50:37 <quaid> #agreed tentatively agreed to approve Virt SIG proposal as new charter, upcoming content on the Wiki; need to get input from Tru
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21:50:42 <Evolution> toracat: anything you'd like to hear covered?
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21:50:43 <quaid> #topic Any other business?
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21:50:53 <Evolution> csieh: you as well
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21:50:56 <toracat> Evolution: not for today
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21:51:26 <quaid> what do we want to do about the functional SIGs? e.g. QA in particular
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21:51:52 <csieh> no other business from me
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21:52:21 <toracat> csieh: hi, good to see you here :)
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21:56:18 <kbsingh> range looks very pensive
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21:56:23 <quaid> #info In general, we'll be able to bring up functional SIGs e.g. Documentation, QA, Promo, Artwork, etc.; have a dependency on an auth system to share resources granularly v. all-or-nothing
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21:58:08 <quaid> #info Jim Perring has been working with FreeIPA and Fedora Auth System (FAS) to see how they compare; FreeIPA looks really nice & would be a good reference story; FAS has all the features we need but is really customized.
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22:00:43 <quaid> #undo
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22:00:43 <centbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x17c0f90>
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22:00:49 <quaid> #info Jim Perrin has been working with FreeIPA and Fedora Auth System (FAS) to see how they compare; FreeIPA looks really nice & would be a good reference story; FAS has all the features we need but is really customized.
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22:00:53 <quaid> hate when I do that to his name
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22:00:58 <Evolution> toracat: I'm sorry if I butched your name
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22:01:07 <toracat> close
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22:01:20 <quaid> btw, others can do #info, #idea, only Chairs can do #agreed, #undo
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22:01:27 <range> Okay, no hoodie next time :)
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22:01:27 <quaid> I'll pass out #chair next time
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22:01:31 <Evolution> toracat: phonetic spelling?
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22:01:36 <Evolution> toracat: how do I say it?
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22:01:45 <quaid> always a good idea to spread chair in case the meeting starter is netsplit
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22:01:48 <toracat> Evolution: yes. ah-keh-me
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22:01:59 <Evolution> ah, so no long ee sound.
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22:02:36 <range> Evolution: No, the lager is on the balcony.
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22:02:48 <range> (I might get one, though).
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22:02:48 <toracat> now range is awake
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22:03:06 <range> Yeah, completely missed this channel :)
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22:03:41 <quaid> ok, closing the minutes/log
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22:03:45 <quaid> #endmeeting
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