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Subject: RE: Gradert ishcemi
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:48:07 +0100
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From: "Andreas Espinoza" <Andreas.Espinoza@rr-research.no>
To: "Jan Fredrik Bugge" <jan.fredrik.bugge@rikshospitalet.no>,
	"Per Steinar Halvorsen" <PerSteinar.halvorsen@rikshospitalet.no>,
	"Helge Skulstad" <Helge.Skulstad@rikshospitalet.no>,
	"Stefan Hyler" <Stefan.Hyler@rikshospitalet.no>,
	"Thor Edvardsen" <thor.edvardsen@medisin.uio.no>,
	"Viesturs Kerans" <viesturs.kerans@medisin.uio.no>,
	"Siv Hestenes" <Siv.Hestenes@rikshospitalet.no>,
	"Erik Fosse" <erik.fosse@medisin.uio.no>
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Det b=F8r v=E6re greit =E5 gj=F8re det p=E5 hypotermi-grisene, vel og =
merke hvis de fremdeles er brukbare etter noks=E5 lange fors=F8k.

=20

Iflg Birkeland er det noks=E5 greit =E5 ta ned IMA p=E5 gris. Du har vel =
gjort det du ogs=E5, Jacob?

=20

Andreas=20

________________________________

From: Jan Fredrik Bugge [mailto:jan.fredrik.bugge@rikshospitalet.no]=20
Sent: 20. februar 2009 11:29
To: Per Steinar Halvorsen; Helge Skulstad; Stefan Hyler; Andreas =
Espinoza; 'Thor Edvardsen'; 'Viesturs Kerans'; Siv Hestenes; Erik Fosse
Subject: RE: Gradert ishcemi

=20

Enig med Steinar, ,det vil v=E6re "besparende" =E5 teste ut modellen =
p=E5 disse grisene, men det blir kveldsarbeid. Hvordan er det forresten =
med mammaria p=E5 gris? er den brukbar til form=E5let, og er den rimelig =
enkel =E5 ta ned?

Jan

=20

_____________________________________________
Fra: Per Steinar Halvorsen=20
Sendt: 20. februar 2009 11:23
Til: Helge Skulstad; Stefan Hyler; Andreas Espinoza; 'Thor Edvardsen'; =
Jan Fredrik Bugge; 'Viesturs Kerans'; Siv Hestenes; Erik Fosse
Emne: RE: Gradert ishcemi

=20

=20

Tror bare Viesturs sine dyr egner seg til dette siden sepsisgrisene blir =
sv=E6rt d=E5rlige.=20

Sent blir det jo, men det g=E5r vel. Tror ikke vi kan regne med =
sykepleier assistanse. =20

Steinar

=20

=20

Denne meldingen inneholder ikke sensitiv informasjon som bryter med =
Rikshospitalet HFs krav til informasjonssikkerhet.

(In compliance with the Security Policy of Rikshospitalet HF, the =
content of this message (including any attachments) is of a =
non-sensitive nature)

=20

=20

_____________________________________________
Fra: Helge Skulstad=20
Sendt: 20. februar 2009 10:32
Til: Stefan Hyler; Per Steinar Halvorsen; Andreas Espinoza; 'Thor =
Edvardsen'; Jan Fredrik Bugge; 'Viesturs Kerans'; Siv Hestenes; Erik =
Fosse
Emne: Gradert ishcemi

=20

=20

Hei alle sammen.

=20

Stefan er godt i gang med =E5 planlegge fors=F8k med gradert ischemi. =
Som vi har snakket om er det en utfordring =E5 f=E5 til en jevn =
gradering av ischemien og i tillegg m=E5 det kunne utf=F8res med lukket =
perikard.

Jeg har snakke med Jacob Bergsland i dag og vi har dr=F8ftet flere =
modeller. Det kan legges IMA eller venegraft til LAD, og LAD som =
ligereres proximalt. Derette legges occluder rundt graftet og =
forh=E5pentligvis kan ischemien graderes bedre p=E5 denne m=E5ten.=20

Vi trenger noe pr=F8vefors=F8k. Vi kan s=F8ke om egne fors=F8ksdyr til =
dette, men en annen mulighet er at det kan gj=F8res koronarkirurgi p=E5 =
Viesturs og Sivs dyr p=E5 n=E5r deres fors=F8k er over. Det er jo uten =
tvil den beste l=F8sningen b=E5de okonomisk og etisk. Er det noen som =
har vesentlig innvendinger ?

=20

MVH=20

Helge

=20

Helge Skulstad=20
Overlege dr.med.=20
Hjerteultralydseksjonen=20
Hjertemedisinsk avd.=20
Rikshospitalet=20
Tlf: 23 07 41 44 ( 23 07 00 00)=20
Mobil: 950 88 405=20

Denne meldingen inneholder ikke sensitiv informasjon som bryter med =
Rikshospitalet HFs krav til informasjonssikkerhet.

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Siv Hestenes; Erik Fosse<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Emne:</span></b> RE: Gradert =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Fra:</span></b> Helge Skulstad <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sendt:</span></b> 20. februar 2009 =
10:32<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Til:</span></b> Stefan Hyler; Per =
Steinar
Halvorsen; <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Andreas =
Espinoza</st1:PersonName>; '<st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on">Thor Edvardsen</st1:PersonName>'; <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Jan
 Fredrik Bugge</st1:PersonName>; <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">'Viesturs =
Kerans'</st1:PersonName>;
Siv Hestenes; Erik Fosse<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Emne:</span></b> Gradert =
ishcemi</span></font><font
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Stefan er godt i gang med =E5 planlegge fors=F8k =
med gradert
ischemi. Som vi har snakket om er det en utfordring =E5 f=E5 til en jevn =
gradering
av ischemien og i tillegg m=E5 det kunne utf=F8res med lukket =
perikard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Jeg har snakke med Jacob Bergsland i dag og vi har =
dr=F8ftet
flere modeller. Det <st1:State w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">kan</st1:place></st1:State>
legges IMA eller venegraft til LAD, og LAD som ligereres proximalt. =
Derette
legges occluder rundt graftet og forh=E5pentligvis <st1:State =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 w:st=3D"on">kan</st1:place></st1:State> ischemien graderes bedre p=E5 =
denne m=E5ten.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Vi trenger noe pr=F8vefors=F8k. Vi <st1:State =
w:st=3D"on">kan</st1:State>
s=F8ke om egne fors=F8ksdyr til dette, men en annen mulighet er at det =
<st1:State
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">kan</st1:place></st1:State> gj=F8res
koronarkirurgi p=E5 Viesturs og Sivs dyr p=E5 n=E5r deres fors=F8k er =
over. Det er jo
uten tvil den beste l=F8sningen b=E5de okonomisk og etisk. Er det noen =
som har
vesentlig innvendinger ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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